The Pro-Western Marriage crowd aren’t Scholars; They’re a MOB.

Made up of “impassioned” in-duh-viduals from both sides of the Blue/Red Pill debate, most Western people these days (I find) are quick to charge into the fray for the defense of Western marriage.  There’s not a true lady to be found among them, and every single man among them is a bona fide White Knight, holding his NAWALT banner proudly aloft.  They are quick to cluster into tight formation – shields locked and spears raised – ready to impale the enemy on their feeble hive mind’s groupthink.

Well, ladies and gentlemen, it takes more than a streak of paper tigers to take down the Emperor.  So, for your reading entertainment, I will happily present my latest battle with the weakest of adult minds that I have encountered heretofore… the Pro-Western Marriage Mob (PWMM, hereafter).

To set the stage, this happened on one of the most pretentious, presumptuous, and pernicious “adult” Minecraft server forums that I’ve ever had the displeasure of posting on.  This particular server (whom I won’t freely advertise for, though a quick Google search would likely turn up the culprit [Sadly {Or is it?}, there are too few actual “adult” Minecraft servers out there – all of which allow kids under 18 in certain circumstances, so I guess there are literally no adult MC servers out there!]) has a particularly long, bloviating, self-congratulatory process of application.  During the almost month-long “trial” period, they encourage applicants to post on their forums so that they may “get to know” them (translation: so they may more handily ostracize people of differing opinions from the PWMM).

Their particular brand of defense deals mainly in groupthink (“Everyone feels this way!”), name-calling (“You’re arrogant and disrespectful!”), blatant hypocrisy (“You’d better respect and be nice to us, but we don’t have to do the same for you!”), blanket assumptions (“You probably hate gay people too, don’t you?”), mockery (“You’re not as smart as you think!”), attempts at incitement (“No wonder your wife left you!”), disregarding/intentional wresting of things you say in order to cram it into what they think is a valid point (“I respect and treat kindly the jerks at work…” [after I’d quite clearly said that tolerance and civility was the only thing due them] “…because bosses don’t put up with people that act like assholes!”  <– See there?  Apparently, civility and tolerance are now enough to brand one an “asshole”.), and of course the “threat” of exclusion from their “venerable” MC server (“Well, I’m not going to vote you in, and I don’t know anyone that will!”).

But you want to know a few tactics that none of the PWMM will use?  TRUTH.  FACTS.  HONEST DEBATE.  I proclaimed a fact early on and even repeated it several times afterward that no one would touch, repeat, or acknowledge (It was the Ron Paul of debate facts.).  They just danced around it like cavemen circling a fire and throwing rocks at the unseen phantoms of the night.

The fact (as pertains to Western marriage) was simply this: “Traditional marriage is an economic agreement in which the man gives up his surplus labor (work, money, security) in return for his progeny that issues forth from the woman (children, legacy).  It is how great families emerge, civilizations rise, and empires establish their dominance.  Western marriage is one in which the woman is allowed (by law!) to take the man’s labor (even after divorce) and still call the man’s progeny ‘hers’.  That is FRAUDULENT.  Ergo, Western marriages are a sham.”
(The well-written essay that covers this fraud topic in delectable detail may be found here.)

You can easily imagine (after my awesome examples above) the flurry of emotions that burst forth from the knee-jerk PWMM – as the contented, happily-married adults that they would have you believe that they are.  Denial, huh?  “It ain’t just a river in Egypt anymore!”

Rivers of lava, earth-shattering quakes, and fireballs from the sky were what they thought they were hurling at your beloved Emperor.  What I saw was an insufferable tantrum from a herd of spoiled 2-year-olds used to getting their own way and being praised for the most mundane of accomplishments.  It wasn’t pretty, but it was amusingly silly.

So that you all may enjoy the fracas a bit more personally (and hopefully learn a thing or two in the process), I’ll weed through the emotional responses to pick out the parts that most resemble actual arguments… and tell you why they’re wrong.  Ready?  ^_^

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1.  “Our marriage is a partnership, and that works for us.”
——->(Note: This was one of two mostly level-headed [though still deluded] individuals in the whole discussion.  As is typical of a conversation ruled by logic, both of the people I’m talking about now were male.)
 This is a difficult realization for any married man to have, but guess what?  Empires do not share absolute authority.  Brother will fight against brother for the crown that either could have, and the King always has more authority than the Queen.  The same is true of a married household: there is no 50/50 relationship.  Someone has the last word, and in those “50/50” marriages, it’s usually the sulking, loud, argumentative wife.  Men in those marriages don’t want to admit it because they’re Betas clinging desperately to the thought that they’re Alphas, and women won’t admit it because they like living and propagating the lie that they are being “equitable”… and who in their right mind gives up such hard-won ground, right?
I’m sorry to say it, but “Our marriage is a partnership!” is like saying, “I’m a huge pussy, and my wife wears the pants around here.”  Simple as that.

2. “So you think a marriage in which both the man and the woman work – the woman is ‘no good anymore’?”
——-> For the record, I’d not said anything even slightly resembling that statement prior to it being made (Wresting statements, quoting things not said, and heavy umbrage?  You guessed it – woman.).
Also for the record, and as pertains to a wife in a Traditional Marriage, fucking YES.  She is NO GOOD for that marriage anymore.  She has coveted the role of the man, joined the man’s workforce (which women are incapable of doing as well as a man – something they also don’t like hearing), neglected her role in the care of the man’s children, and seeks to undermine his role as provider and head of the household.
I also realize that we currently live in an economy in which one cannot afford a nice house on only one income.  This is the fault of greedy lawmakers and bankers capitalizing on the women’s fight to enter the workforce in the first place, but now that home prices are set so ridiculously high, we in the Western countries must live with it.  The feminists have unintentionally burned us all, but they’ll never accept the responsibility for having done so.
I won’t go into it at length, but proper Traditional married couples simply learn to live with less, sometimes even with the wife doing a properly wifely job from home – I know of several female writers who do so, and even a few women making a decent contribution to their marriages by finding deals on eBay and re-selling them for profit.  But for the avaricious, power-hungry twit-wife, having the care of the home, hearth, and children is likened to backwards slavery so that they may happily enter a worse, less satisfying form of servitude… the male workforce.
Well congratulations, idiots.  Welcome to our hell.  Now sit down, shut up, and don’t complain when you don’t get paid as much, because you lack the capacity to work as hard, so you don’t deserve to be paid as much!

3. “You think marriage should be entirely for the benefit of the man!”
——-> (False assumptions phrased as facts?  Yep – woman.)  Just out of curiosity, how do you figure all the “benefits” of Traditional Marriage are in the man’s favor?
Here’s the tale of the tape:
* YOU: Do about two actual hours of housework to maintain a decent home / HE: Works all day
* YOU: Get to spend all day with the kids / HE: Only gets to see his kids at night, when he’s already exhausted.
* YOU: Can leave the house and do whatever kid-friendly things you like – all day – with a modicum of effort and preparation. / HE: Is stuck at work all day
* YOU: May offer your opinions freely, but must submit to his authority if there is a disagreement on the course of action to be taken / HE: Is responsible for aptly, logically, and intelligently leading his household – and any mistakes made as a result of his judgment
* YOU: May not keep his offspring and call them your own for the purposes of coercing money from him in child support or the State in social services / HE: Really only gets this one benefit… his children… and you would begrudge him that?!?
The cry of “Traditional Marriage only benefits the man!” is an argument made by the selfish, the stupid, or the downright wicked and unruly wife.  You don’t have to be a genius to realize that.
The real “injustice” that they fight against is being ruled by a man – as they are a coven of stubborn, insubordinate, insufferable bitches that are used to being Daddy’s little princesses (whether they deserved it or not), and want the same puerile power of “It’s my way, or a tantrum!” in their marriages.
And modern men (Betas) are allowing (and even condoning) this childish attitude in their wives.  WHY, you morons?!?  You think boring sex once a month is sufficient payment for a lifetime of your labor??  Are you that fucking stupid?!?

4. “My husband makes less money and knows how to cook!”
——-> Congratulations on the Beta fish you’ve landed in your Western marriage boat.  Good luck as a modern, hypergamous woman either resenting his weak contribution to the marriage funds and the awful role-reversal (that you find so cute right now) or finally trading up for a more Alpha model husband and still taking your old Beta to the Divorce Cleaners even though you have no right to any of his labor from the point of divorce!  One of the two will happen – statistics don’t lie, and modern divorced men’s forums are positively full of men that lament exactly what I’ve described.  And you know it.
You’ll notice she hasn’t bragged on anything she contributes to the marriage other than more money (which, incidentally, is easy to say on forums where women do their own brand of dick-measuring with one another), and one could almost assume that she doesn’t know how to cook, considering she’s so proud of her husband for being able to do so.  Hell, my ex-(Western)-wife couldn’t cook!  Why should I expect more from any other Western wife?
Also, that is a sad fucking commentary on life in the Western world – women don’t need to bring ANY domestic talents to the table in a Western marriage!  That is lazy, ignorant, and selfish – but they’re too solipsistic to care.

5. “You don’t know every single marriage that currently exists, so you can’t say that most of them are shams!”
——-> (A weak attempt at logic… is a man, but definitely a Beta.)
I don’t need to go into this further, as you all know why Western marriages are fraudulent shams by this point, but I will address the weak logic.
All you can know of marriages can be gleaned from all the marriages you’ve come in contact with.  If most of the Western marriages I’ve known (including mine) have either ended badly or are in poor shape (They are.), then that supports my personal claim that the majority of them are shams.  I don’t have to know every single Western marriage to make that call – it’s locally true.  And considering it’s been that way in every state I’ve lived in (currently 7 out of 50) and in every online encounter I’ve had any length of discussion with, it’s more than that – it’s indicative of the ruinous state of marriage in the Western world.  No matter how badly you want to defend it, bitches, it’s just NOT WORTH IT for a Western man to marry a Western woman these days!  It’s a recipe for personal disaster.
And by the way, he didn’t know every current marriage either, so his argument could be just as “destroyed” from his lack of knowledge as well.  (Clue for the clueless: If you don’t know every single marriage that currently exists, you can’t say that they aren’t shams, either!)

6. “You can’t talk in absolutes like that!  You have to say that it’s just your opinion!”
——-> (This is how Betas are trained to talk.  Still, this was the other guy I was talking about earlier.)  I won’t go into how obviously hypocritical this is, considering these were the same people that insisted I “respect” them, while offering me none of the same “social imperative”.  (And as an aside, I should quickly say this: Respect is earned.  If you say that you respect even the average jerk on the street, then you’re either an imbecile, or you are actively watering down the meaning of the word!  Women do that shit all the time, and it’s highly annoying.  You “love” cupcakes?  Really, bitch?  Are you going to marry cupcakes and devote your life to them?  Then you don’t LOVE them, you simpleton!  You’re just fond of them.  Same thing with respect… educate yourselves, you colloquial fools.)
Back to the point: everyone defending a conviction speaks in absolutes!  If you want to soft-lob your argument across the plate, then feel free to say something is “just your opinion”.  Then any naysayer worth his salt will obviously discount it merely because it is just your opinion.
That’s what someone who can’t provide facts for their side or dispute the facts on your side will inevitably do: attempt to weaken your position by insisting that everything is relative.  No, you colossal half-wit, everything is not relative, or else there wouldn’t be such things as Scientific LAWS.  Facts point the way to Truth, and once you’ve found Absolute Truths, you hold onto them and defend them – no matter who tries to dislodge you from your conviction by insisting that one can really never “know” anything.
Incidentally, the same disingenuous debater that would tell you to abandon absolutes… is definitely holding onto a few of his own.  (Otherwise, he’d just say: “You know what?  You may be right.  No one knows for sure!”  And he never will.)

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Anyway, that’s all the time I care to spend on this today.  I’ll head back over there one last time to drop off the link to this page for them… but considering they’re not big on either reading or comprehension, don’t expect them to be dropping by here anytime soon.  😉